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Post by North2 on Oct 17, 2003 14:45:59 GMT -5
...to not use savestates in this game except after each map. You're not supposed to be able to save at any time, and doing so makes the game ridiculously easy and mostly pointless as a STRATEGY game. Play the game as it's supposed to be. ;D
While I'm on the subject...I also suggest to not do reinforcement killing or do boss leveling for the same reason. I'm sure the creators of the game intentionally made it so you can gain levels from reinforcements...but it seems rather pointless to me when your entire army has no chance of death. But hey...this is just my opinion. At least for me, a strategy game is a lot more enjoyable when there's a challenge.
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Post by Megaman on Oct 17, 2003 16:20:54 GMT -5
Have you beaten this game like that? If not you have no right to ask us to. It's one thing if you suggested that on FE1 or just about any other FE but most people can't seem to beat this gmae even with save states and boss leveling. The only FE game I have beaten without any form of cheating was FE7.
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Post by Seti on Oct 17, 2003 16:25:06 GMT -5
Well tis upto people what they do, but I have to agree on you though the agme wasn't made so you could use savestates.
The only reason I use savestates is for quick reference to my character stats. I rarely use them for the actual game, like Super Metroid and Links Awakening I never use save states, I play it as it is.
EDIT: As Megaman said you only have a right to say it if you've done it yourself...I've managed it so I'm fine.
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Post by Starwolf on Oct 17, 2003 16:44:21 GMT -5
You said there is not save option. So i'm not even allowed to use the interemission option.
If you have done it how do we do chapter 18 without sates and still getting xavier? Luck is it. I don't have time for luck!
You may have all the time in the world but sadly I live in the real world. Where time is very short and taken up in school work. You might not take pride in your exam results but I DO. That means I have to savestate usually to save time. Doing the first 8 turns of a chapter because I selected the wrong option is not my idea of fun. Its my idea of timewasteing! The best example was this was in advance wars 2 I have an infantry next to enemy hq my finger slips I select capture base. Infantry gets shot and now won't be able to capture HQ. I have to start all over again. I'm pissed off.
Saveingtime time doesn't make me a crap player - far from it. My stragaies are always well thought out - lets say I picked up a very nice tactical secret but il'l keep it with my savestates.
I'm not some boss leveling/powerarena arsehole but I save state along a chapter so I don't waste time contantly re-doing it. Do I get a seperate brand. Oh no I'm a "cheater". If you call me a "cheater" I say you are all cheaters due to outside discussion which may or may not lead to help in beating it.
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Post by The dark prince on Oct 17, 2003 18:19:44 GMT -5
You said there is not save option. So i'm not even allowed to use the interemission option. If you have done it how do we do chapter 18 without sates and still getting xavier? Luck is it. I don't have time for luck! You may have all the time in the world but sadly I live in the real world. Where time is very short and taken up in school work. You might not take pride in your exam results but I DO. That means I have to savestate usually to save time. Doing the first 8 turns of a chapter because I selected the wrong option is not my idea of fun. Its my idea of timewasteing! The best example was this was in advance wars 2 I have an infantry next to enemy hq my finger slips I select capture base. Infantry gets shot and now won't be able to capture HQ. I have to start all over again. I'm pissed off. Saveingtime time doesn't make me a crap player - far from it. My stragaies are always well thought out - lets say I picked up a very nice tactical secret but il'l keep it with my savestates. I'm not some boss leveling/powerarena arsehole but I save state along a chapter so I don't waste time contantly re-doing it. Do I get a seperate brand. Oh no I'm a "cheater". If you call me a "cheater" I say you are all cheaters due to outside discussion which may or may not lead to help in beating it. ...........have some ice cream and calm down |
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Post by North2 on Oct 18, 2003 3:53:08 GMT -5
I haven't even had to reset once and I'm up to chapter 5 without losing anyone, and this is my first time around with this game. Right now I'm taking a break because I just got FE4 back from my friend and I still want to get a perfect game with it. This means not losing anyone unless a valk staff is available at the time of death, and getting all the pairing right, all without resetting once (I know I can save after each round in FE4, I just want it to be PERFECT on my part). I did this up to chapter 8, so I think that qualifies me as being able to make such a statement...although I didn't demand you to do anything so I shouldn't even need qualifications.
The intermission option is still available, but you can't go back to that spot once you start playing again.
The idea of 'not having enough time' is completely BS. I got FE3 from my uncle who works full time in Japan. It took something like 5 months for him to beat the game, but he did. The purpose of a game is not to rush through it, but to enjoy every moment of it. And honestly...how many times have you played FE5? What makes restarting one map so different from playing the entire game again?
There's a lot of game mechanics in FE5 that makes it a hard game. For example, the fact that you can't go below 1% or above 99% makes it so sometimes a fluke happens and one of your units die. The creators didn't intend to make it this way just so you can start again from 1 round back.
If you can't beat the map after starting over, then there's something seriously messed up with your strategy. It takes quite a few defeats to figure out all the mistakes, but once you do it gets that much easier. I played FE3 twice with a whole lot of frustration and equal amounts of happiness when I finally cleared each map. On the third time around I only had to restart 1 map for book 1 and 2 combined. It's not too hard once you get the hang of it, although it can take longer or shorter for some people.
If you can make an excuse out of 'my finger slipped' then you can play the game half-asleep. That's not much fun. If you can't reset, I guarantee you'll be twice as focused just so you won't slip that finger. This makes the game a lot more enjoyable.
And just to say, I didn't demand anything from anyone. This is a suggestion: play the game as it's supposed to be. I never said anyone's a cheater. I just urge you to TRY it, it'll most likely make the game a whole lot more fun.
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Post by Seti on Oct 18, 2003 5:08:09 GMT -5
. If you have done it how do we do chapter 18 without sates and still getting xavier? Luck is it. I don't have time for luck! So...does that make me extremely lucky for doing it in 5 go's? Of course that wasn't my first try though, I obviously had to leave Xavier on my first time and go for him on like the fourth time through plus my average on that level is like about 40 turns ,_, |
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Post by Starwolf on Oct 18, 2003 16:56:44 GMT -5
The idea of 'not having enough time' is completely BS. I got FE3 from my uncle who works full time in Japan. It took something like 5 months for him to beat the game, but he did If your uncle can do it good for him. But as for it being BS I take that as an insult. I have the following school subjects to study for: Chemistry Physics Biology Pure Maths Mechanics Statistics Crititical thing All at Advanced Subsidary Level. I want to get grades As in every one. That requires a lot of work. Add that in and going to these forums and there just aren't enough hours to go through booting a game etc... I'm not some boss level power leveling sap but I need to get to the game ASAP from opening it. I can't waste time failing. My stratagies never fail. They are usually very sound. If they are not sadly time has to be wasted. As for fe3 I had no problems with book1. Book 2 stated very tough for a reason. Anyway I again had no real problems (just chapter 21 I think as that chapter was just supposed to be very tough). I got a AAAA in fe4. I would try a AAA in fe5 but you really need to do everything perfect. I managed chapters 1 and 2. Now AAA, thats how the game was supposed to be played. I play my games to have fun but a finger slipping at the end of fe5s bigger chapters is just a throw the cartridge in the bin moment. 3 hours that the game stole off you. Its not that I don't want to have fun. In my book frustation doesn't equal fun. As for chapter 18. The day a flawless strat is produced will be the end of the world. |
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Post by NoBaka on Oct 18, 2003 19:18:05 GMT -5
...to not use savestates in this game except after each map. You're not supposed to be able to save at any time, and doing so makes the game ridiculously easy and mostly pointless as a STRATEGY game. Play the game as it's supposed to be. ;D While I'm on the subject...I also suggest to not do reinforcement killing or do boss leveling for the same reason. I'm sure the creators of the game intentionally made it so you can gain levels from reinforcements...but it seems rather pointless to me when your entire army has no chance of death. But hey...this is just my opinion. At least for me, a strategy game is a lot more enjoyable when there's a challenge. I basically did that. Sure, I used the arena every now and again, but that's basically it. I beat the game without losing anyone. No cheats, no savestates, and I didn't take 130 years to do it. I think my overall score was a B. |
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Post by North2 on Oct 18, 2003 19:37:42 GMT -5
Well, I'm sorry if you take it as an insult but I don't see why you should and my opinion stands. I'm not saying that you don't have a busy schedule, because almost everyone does. I got college and work to do myself, but all of that isn't really a factor in my argument. The purpose of the game isn't in getting from point A to point B as fast as possible, but to enjoy the time it takes to get there. Therefore, time shouldn't be a factor of burden. If it is, then that's a big clue of getting too old for video games, or the game's getting too old for you =(. Not using savestates is a good way for some people to renew their interest in the game.
I kind of realized that the whole strategy thing that I said can be taken the wrong way. What I meant by that was that any strategy's true value can't be calculated unless it is put to the test. If someone dies from it, that means the strategy failed...it doesn't mean you should just reset it and go with it again hoping for a better luck.
As for that 3 hour thing in infantry (don't know what the game is)...I can't even count how many hours it took to get a perfect game all the way up to chapter 8 in fe4. I then forgot to move a person away...that can be very frustrating. But hey, it gives me a reason to play again =). It's just a matter of personal preference really...considering it isn't a mistake in terms of strategy, it's one of those times where I debated with myself if I could go back and do it right. I decided to make it tougher for myself because I found that's more enjoyable for me...keeps my eyes glued to the screen =).
I'm just urging people to try it, simply because you might be suprised at how much more enjoyable the game can be.
I do agree that AAA is the way to play. Once you do clear it with AAA though, there's not much else to do other than doing it a different way and still get AAA. I already beat FE4 perfectly while resetting only to the beginning of every map, so the next thing for me is to play the entire thing without resetting at all or doing something entirely different.
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Post by The dark prince on Oct 18, 2003 22:38:52 GMT -5
Well, I'm sorry if you take it as an insult but I don't see why you should and my opinion stands. I'm not saying that you don't have a busy schedule, because almost everyone does. I got college and work to do myself, but all of that isn't really a factor in my argument. The purpose of the game isn't in getting from point A to point B as fast as possible, but to enjoy the time it takes to get there. Therefore, time shouldn't be a factor of burden. If it is, then that's a big clue of getting too old for video games, or the game's getting too old for you =(. Not using savestates is a good way for some people to renew their interest in the game. I kind of realized that the whole strategy thing that I said can be taken the wrong way. What I meant by that was that any strategy's true value can't be calculated unless it is put to the test. If someone dies from it, that means the strategy failed...it doesn't mean you should just reset it and go with it again hoping for a better luck. As for that 3 hour thing in infantry (don't know what the game is)...I can't even count how many hours it took to get a perfect game all the way up to chapter 8 in fe4. I then forgot to move a person away...that can be very frustrating. But hey, it gives me a reason to play again =). It's just a matter of personal preference really...considering it isn't a mistake in terms of strategy, it's one of those times where I debated with myself if I could go back and do it right. I decided to make it tougher for myself because I found that's more enjoyable for me...keeps my eyes glued to the screen =). I'm just urging people to try it, simply because you might be suprised at how much more enjoyable the game can be. I do agree that AAA is the way to play. Once you do clear it with AAA though, there's not much else to do other than doing it a different way and still get AAA. I already beat FE4 perfectly while resetting only to the beginning of every map, so the next thing for me is to play the entire thing without resetting at all or doing something entirely different. ................no i like my computer i don't want to replace it and possibly harm somone whule doing so |
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Post by VolCanon2 on Oct 22, 2003 1:45:00 GMT -5
Its annoying when the one last shooter criticals or something on a chapter like 17.
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Post by TerranigmaFreak (admin) on Oct 22, 2003 10:15:13 GMT -5
You do know that it's possible to turn savestates off right? Just remove the buttons in the gui. Thracia 776 isn't that hard if you don't try for A or AAA rank. I beat the game without savestates, but got something like a C or something. I did reset dozens of times when someone gets killed though. Since the maps aren't as big, reseting isn't too much of a problem. Heck sometimes I replay chapters for fun like chapter 14. Even though I beat it with a perfect, I still wanted to replay the chapter cause it's so much fun. I've managed to beat the entire chapter with every enemy on the battlefield totally destroyed. I admit, I do use boss leveling sometimes. I don't feel any shame since it's a feature that was built into the game. I mean yeah, savestates wasn't built into the game so I didn't use it. You know what game is actually hard, try Jurassic Park 2 the Chaos Continues on the SNES, I used savestates and I still can't beat the game. I have no damage cheat from small dinosaurs turned on a I STILL CAN'T BEAT IT! That's how freaking hard the game is.
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Post by North2 on Oct 22, 2003 15:14:30 GMT -5
Well, what's interesting about FE4 and so far in FE5 is that you can keep everyone at a high level just by letting your weakest characters get the kill. The exp system encourages this unlike FE3 where it's a set number of exp no matter who gets the kill. The first time I played FE4, I saved every round and played somewhat recklessly just to let all my weakest characters get exp and see how strong my people can get. I didn't do any reinforcement killing or boss leveling at all (although I did heal a lot) and every single character in the second generation got at least lvl29. I think every character in the first generation got at least lvl28, although I do remember killing 2 rounds of reinforcements on Chapter 1 just because I couldn't stop them.
Now I can get every character in first generation to at least lvl23 without saving once. It's pretty tough to level up some of the weak guys in the beginning, but once you get rolling it gets a lot easier just because you're that much stronger as a whole. Deu for example is a pain in the ass to level up until he reaches lvl 13 or so and then he can actually stay in the midst of battle and not die. Until then, he has to stay way the hell back until most of the enemies are dead and then he comes in to kill the 1 or 2 remaining enemies. What's more important is that every character can get farther in the arena, which turns into more exp for everyone. So at least for FE4, there's no need to do any reinforcement/boss leveling to get to a higher level. But hey, it's just a matter of preference. It's fun for me to see how powerful my army can be without any of it.
I'm not sure how much that applies for FE5 though, cause I'm still at chapter 5. I don't think it can be too much different, except the fact that the arena can't really be used like it can in FE4. I'll probably need to forget about a few characters instead of leveling all of them considering the number of characters also.
I don't think Jurassic Park can scare me as much as the hoverbike stage on Battletoads in Battlemaniacs. I don't think you can find it legally in emulator though...but if you can, then go try it and you'll see what I mean.
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Post by TerranigmaFreak (admin) on Oct 23, 2003 8:39:05 GMT -5
I recall beating Battletoads long ago when it first came out. I did it on the SNES.
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