TheEnd
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Post by TheEnd on Apr 4, 2004 21:25:34 GMT -5
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FESS Claudius
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Post by FESS Claudius on Apr 4, 2004 21:28:06 GMT -5
What ^ said
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Post by JeiganDa2nd on Apr 4, 2004 21:52:00 GMT -5
Lakche is definitely not over-rated. She stands out amongst the second generation as always going to be one of the most powerful characters there-- Look at the facts, she has the ability to get some mad crazy growth rates depending on her father, and to get some good skills along with the awesome ones that she initally has.. Of course, this counts for anybody during the second gen.... Swordmasters get very high statistic caps, higher than a Forrest and many other classes. She has Ryuuseiken and Advancing from the get go, and she's going to get other skills(unless you pair her with Claude ) from her father. She can pretty much take out whole armies with about any weapon, except for the wholely heavy ones(Silver Claymore, etcetera) she's got so much going for her that she's beyond amazing. So, can Shannan, Yuria, Aless, Sety. Tinny(with the help of Wrath of course)....notice a trend here.... And while Ryuuseiken is good, her brother and shannan gets it as well. I'm not saying she overrated because she bad. She is good, but like the topic creator pointed out, many characters are just as good as her. I just don't get her "God" status. I don't know, maybe it's because she a female swordmaster or something. Ara gets the same praise for the first gen, but only because her 5 hit skill. Considering her only above average stat is skill.
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Post by CjayC on Apr 4, 2004 23:59:55 GMT -5
Jeigan explain perfectly on what I was talking about. Nobody said she was bad, but we mention she is a little overrated.
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Post by North2 on Apr 5, 2004 0:13:20 GMT -5
Tinny is never god, and Skasaha will always be weaker than Lakche in all cases. I dunno what you would call 'over-rated' but I put Lakche in the same ranks as the holy weapon users other than Sety with Holsety which has a rank of its own.
Wanna know what I think is the best thing about Lakche? She just looks badass. I always liked the personality, and Lakche with a berserked hero sword is the most kick-ass looking thing that Fire Emblem has to offer. You can just feel the pain when she unleashes a flurry of 10 attacks while jumping and warping all over the place like a ninja on crack. For me personally, it's as simple as that.
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Post by JeiganDa2nd on Apr 5, 2004 0:19:20 GMT -5
Please, if Lakche can dodge enemies like Shannan and Sety, or become magic sheilds like Celice or Aless, then I would consider her good, but she can do neither. Also, you mention a few higher stats, yet stat caps do mean anything by except for the last chapter.
Like I said before, anybody with a berserk hero sword is good. Is that the only reason you guys can come up with.
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Post by Aice on Apr 5, 2004 0:25:14 GMT -5
Lakche qualifies to be a one-woman army. She can kill almost every enemy in sight. She has high evade rate and high hit rate. In plain words that means anyone can hardly hit her but she can easily hit anyone. When Ryuuseiken is activated, she hits 5 times. Give her the hero sword, and she can easily hit 10 times. Or even more, if her Next-Attack is activated. She can have full Odo blood with Holin being the father, but even so she is not originally assigned Balmunk (it belongs to Shanan), and she can easily kick ass without a holy weapon.
And others... Shannan's stats do not exceed Lakche's stats. Take Shannan's Balmunk away and you can see a difference in the two. For the magic users, they don't have and will never have anything close to a Ryuuseiken skill. This means even with the holy spells (ie Narga) they are never able to hit as many times as Ryuuseiken. Yuria gets Narga at the last minute, for the purpose of defeating Yurius. You get Lakche since round 1. Lakche is not overrated. People adore her because she's GOOD.
Or you can do a simple experiment. Send everyone in your army to the enemies, one by one, and see who survives. Lakche will. Actually... she will if she doesn't get hit by magic. But she has high evade rate.
I hope this makes sense.
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Post by CjayC on Apr 5, 2004 0:25:55 GMT -5
I dunno what you would call 'over-rated' but I put Lakche in the same ranks as the holy weapon users other than Sety with Holsety which has a rank of its own. . AND Shannan, AND Yuria. You know, if three more points of speed and skill makes are person God, then I am really missing something here.
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Post by CjayC on Apr 5, 2004 0:32:41 GMT -5
And others... Shannan's stats do not exceed Lakche's stats. Take Shannan's Balmunk away and you can see a difference in the two. A few points of str and luck does matter anyway since balmunk gives such a big bonus. Patty is big contender for Shannan as he wife, so he will max out spd anyway during the final chapter talk. And since you get a theif, a thief ring, a thief sword, and a bargin ring, holy weapon do not cost that much to fix. Plus, you mention putting people in an army, yet so many other people can do this with ease.
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Post by Aice on Apr 5, 2004 0:42:17 GMT -5
Plus, you mention putting people in an army, yet so many other people can do this with ease. Try it and tell me who can. Patty is big contender for Shannan as he wife, so he will max out spd anyway during the final chapter talk. Lakche doesn't receive bonus points because she can't marry a woman. I think this is an unfair comparison. So what do you think is not great about Lakche?
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Post by North2 on Apr 5, 2004 1:04:55 GMT -5
Lakche's growth rate is far superior to Shannan. It's not just 'a few points', she tops out or comes close for all the important stats other than MDEF for her class. This, plus whatever skill she gets from her father, is why I put her in the same class as Shannan.
Not everyone with a berserked hero sword can become 'god'. If you give Delmud the berserked hero sword, and then give Lakche the berserked hero sword, you'll see one hell of a difference. Delmud will frequently leave survivors, while Lakche can critical any time out of the usual 12-14 attacks she does (shooting star hit about 60% of a battle, continue and maybe advancing). She also maxes out skill and then some with a skill ring, while also maxing out speed. This means she'll attack more and critical more often.
Skasaha can get close, but he'll still always be inferior to Lakche. Depending on the father, Skasaha may not max out speed or luck. The largest deciding factor is the lack of advancing after class change.
Enough about stats though. Here's the big whopper of all things that everyone is forgetting: HIT RATE. When she averages 10 attacks with a sword that has 100% hit rate, she has the highest CHANCE of killing a lot of the enemies. It doesn't matter if Faval with Ichival can take something down to 5hp in 1 hit if it misses one out of the two times. If I want something to be dead for sure, Lakche is frequently my unit my choice. She's 'godly' for me because she is just death in a can.
Edit: Also, her stat caps are high and all, but along the way is what makes her so awesome. She'll be your best unit along with Ales and Sety for a long time, and even in the end she's still up to par with all the holy weapon users.
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Post by SummerWolf on Apr 5, 2004 6:29:25 GMT -5
Slightly OT : Shannan is never good to me. He pretty much needs constant healing....to hell with the Balmunk, the man NEVER dodges.
The RNG hates me. ;_;
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Post by Leaf on Apr 5, 2004 7:13:35 GMT -5
Shanan maxed everything for me.
Everything.
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Post by NomadicTrooperGirl on Apr 5, 2004 9:02:42 GMT -5
Shanan maxed out everything? How?
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Post by JeiganDa2nd on Apr 5, 2004 10:00:34 GMT -5
Lakche's growth rate is far superior to Shannan. It's not just 'a few points', she tops out or comes close for all the important stats other than MDEF for her class. This, plus whatever skill she gets from her father, is why I put her in the same class as Shannan. But I mention before, Shannan gets balmunk so he can automatically take out units like ease. Balmunk and Holsety are just that overpowered IMO. Lakche does have better stats, but most of Shannon important stats at level 12 are near 20 anyway(except for defense, but he can max it out sometimes). While he might not max it some stats sometimes, he get close to doing it. If Lakche has a secret the can give her 100 + dodge and have 40 skl like Shannan and Sety, then please tell me, because I still think they are more useful. Not everyone with a berserked hero sword can become 'god'. If you give Delmud the berserked hero sword, and then give Lakche the berserked hero sword, you'll see one hell of a difference. Delmud will frequently leave survivors, while Lakche can critical any time out of the usual 12-14 attacks she does (shooting star hit about 60% of a battle, continue and maybe advancing). She also maxes out skill and then some with a skill ring, while also maxing out speed. This means she'll attack more and critical more often. Skasaha can get close, but he'll still always be inferior to Lakche. Depending on the father, Skasaha may not max out speed or luck. The largest deciding factor is the lack of advancing after class change. Enough about stats though. Here's the big whopper of all things that everyone is forgetting: HIT RATE. When she averages 10 attacks with a sword that has 100% hit rate, she has the highest CHANCE of killing a lot of the enemies. It doesn't matter if Faval with Ichival can take something down to 5hp in 1 hit if it misses one out of the two times. If I want something to be dead for sure, Lakche is frequently my unit my choice. She's 'godly' for me because she is just death in a can. Anybody with next attack, continue, and any other combination can kill a whole army. Did you forget to mention that Skasaha has high skl and spd as well. He can do the same thing, minus a few skl and spd. He doesn't get continue, but the hero sword neglets it anyway. The most common conbination with Faval and Delmud is Duel, so they can do the job as well. Delmud maxes out skill anyway, so that logic is flawed. Edit: Also, her stat caps are high and all, but along the way is what makes her so awesome. She'll be your best unit along with Ales and Sety for a long time, and even in the end she's still up to par with all the holy weapon users. Her and Skasaha are EQUAL during to course of the game until class change(well, in all my playthurs anyway). Also, notice how most character start out with high stats anyhow(for example, delmud starts out with 13 str at level 3 in my last two games), so any of the 2nd gen character can dominate before class change.
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