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Post by DarkTwilkitri on Apr 4, 2004 20:42:17 GMT -5
Lord is more a state of mind, in my opinion.
Lyn wasn't a lord at the start of FE7, and she was still lord class. Celice wasn't technically a lord in FE4, and he was still of (Jr.) Lord class.
If Ike ends up not being a lord, whatever his current occupation, I'll be surprised.
Further, how many enemy lords aren't actually lords? All of them.
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Post by Iris on Apr 4, 2004 20:42:53 GMT -5
One army of humans vs. another army of humans is going to get old eventually. Who says it has to? I like the lack of monster type enemies in the FE series. I prefer to pit humans against humans. When monsters are brought forth as enemies, the story all too often takes shortcuts. You're fighting monsters because they're monsters! Look at the random encounters in the majority of RPGs out there. How often are there real reasons given for the various monsters wandering around that you have to fight? I'm not saying that corners aren't sometimes cut with human opponents. (Oh, look, they're bandits! They're going to hurt people! Let's stop them!) But I often find myself preferring stories in which it's humans against humans, like Fire Emblem 4 or Final Fantasy Tactics. Because even if the occult comes into play later on to explain some of your enemies, human wars are far more likely to dip into political double-crosses and conspiracies and shadowy deals and whatnot--and seeing how humans behave in those kinds of plots is more interesting to me than a thousand "slay the evil monster" stories. I'm not saying you don't get these things with different races and mixed breeds, but I am saying that I have no qualms with how the politics have been handled so far (I LOVE YOU FIRE EMBLEM 4!) and I personally would be quite happy to have more of the same.
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Post by GreenShyguy on Apr 4, 2004 20:48:23 GMT -5
In a lot of RPGs - Dragon Warrior 1, 2 and Final Fantasy 6 come to mind - there is always at least one town that has been overrun with monsters. So if your party doesn't control the monster population, then they are going to overrun all the innocents in the villages. That's reason enough for me. At least that's my rationale when I play traditional RPGs.
However, I do agree that Fire Emblem excels in the storyline and character development departments. I don't think the inclusion of non human characters would jeopardize either. After all, I heard Fire Emblem Gaiden has a few monsters outside of dragons. It will work for 8 too.
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Post by Arf on Apr 4, 2004 22:43:23 GMT -5
ditch monsters....when u need a filler for enemies use bandits,
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Post by North2 on Apr 4, 2004 23:29:19 GMT -5
I agree all the way up to the idea that Fire Emblem is mainly 'Western' (as long as you mean European, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the Americas). I knew this all along, but I couldn't argue about it until I could be sure that catgirls don't just belong in hentai. My last post still sticks to this though. You really don't have to think that hard. The main question is still 'Does this catgirl belong in Fire Emblem?'. I am arguing that 'half-beast' is still very well within the realms of European mythology. Beowulf would be the most famous example.
Nothing about 'catgirl' has Eastern influence if you just look at it as 'half-beast' instead of 'raping victim'. The dragon form has nothing to do with the kitsune. Foxes do not turn into dragons. The idea of humans turning into animals or vice versa exist in all mythology.
The warring era of Japan had NOTHING BUT rich noblemen fighting each other. It's exactly like the Middle Ages, except the living conditions were slightly better. Rich noblemen also definitely existed in prosperous parts of China.
Also remember that the game is only BASED on European Mythology, it doesn't have to BE European mythology. There has always been small Eastern influences and some big ones. I think the biggest influence is probably the Narga dragon, and I believe the whole idea of the supreme dragon race was fantastic.
It's not like a little bit of Eastern influence is going to dramatically change the game as long as most of the game still retains its European aspect.
Edit: Also, it doesn't have to stay within the realms of mythology either.
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Post by TerranigmaFreak (admin) on Apr 5, 2004 14:15:55 GMT -5
I think you guys misunderstood how I and some of the others feel. First, change is good, I always liked change. I wasn't so pleased with FE6 and 7 because of the lack of change. Change of course, I mean gameplay change. When you have a long running series like Fire Emblem, there are somethings that just says Fire Emblem. Throughout the series the story has always had a certain feel to it. The world of Fire Emblem if you will. Through these 7 games, they gave us like almost a set of rules that governs the world of Fire Emblem. There are just some things we come to expect when we see a Fire Emblem game. After 7 games, the image in my head is that the world of Fire Emblem has humans, dragons, pegasi, and some monsters here and there. Now all of a sudden, these new creatures appear out of nowhere that's never been seen in Fire Emblem. It feels completely out of place. Now is this really such a bad thing, not really. Am I going to hate Fire Emblem forever and never play the game again just cause of this change? HELL NO!
Now about catgirls, like the world of Fire Emblem, catgirls have their own image. Unfortunately, that image is sleazy. Does this mean all catgirls are sleazy, no. This is the unfortunate fact. When most people think catgirls, they think sleazy. When people think Janet Jackson, they are worried she'll flash her breasts. You can't help it. These things are planted into our memories. It is the first thing that comes to our minds. We hate them.
Oh and one last thing, the world of Fire Emblem lasts only for 2 games. Even if they do a modern day Fire Emblem, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Post by North2 on Apr 5, 2004 18:53:54 GMT -5
Well I must say that type of image isn't planted into my head so I guess it pays to not watch hentai =P. The Fire Embelm feel is still exactly what a lot of us have been talking about. The question is STILL 'Does catgirl belong in Fire Emblem?'. It's been reworded as 'Fireemblemish' and 'European/Western', but it's the exact same thing.
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Post by Arf on Apr 5, 2004 19:53:02 GMT -5
well. that is just one cargirl. mbe she just wears ears as an accescory. but I think now I see what people are saying. butI think it gives a more RPG feel to FE> not that FE needs it. but it makes it more appealing to other americans also.
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Post by Traces of the Blue Flame on Apr 5, 2004 19:56:59 GMT -5
Well met Arf.
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Post by TheEnd on Apr 5, 2004 19:57:29 GMT -5
well. that is just one cargirl. No. It's an entire beast kingdom.
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Post by Arf on Apr 5, 2004 19:59:20 GMT -5
thnx......as for ur statement TheEnd.......this was not to my knowledge sorry.......but it cant be that bad can it?
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Post by TheEnd on Apr 5, 2004 20:18:38 GMT -5
It may be. You know, the previous FEs were, basically, humans x humans with some mamkutes. Not humans x beasts.
We have to way to foresee the outcome of such addition. But I see an important tradition breaking, if that matters.
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Post by kyuusei on Apr 5, 2004 20:52:37 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure if it'll be humans vs. beasts.. I do know that the country the beats are from, is supposed to help the protagonists...
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Post by thanie on Apr 5, 2004 21:10:47 GMT -5
Wow, so much freaking out over a couple of screenshots and a bit of info! I guess the first impression is the most important one, but its so early and these few screens can't really paint the picture of an entire game. To me, the character designs look great, I can see the game is 3-D in look and will have some new ideas presented. It seems like a lot of ppl are making some big assumptions tho, about the nature of beasts in the game, and the quality of the graphics. Give it some time. I'm sure making this game stand up to the other Fire Emblems is as important to Intelligent Systems as it is to the fans.
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Post by FESS Claudius on Apr 5, 2004 21:11:58 GMT -5
No. It's an entire beast kingdom. ....of Catgirls? I don't really see how that would work. And...uh...why do you keep calling them beasts? If anything, they look human, at least from what I've seen(and remember*cough*) We have to way to foresee the outcome of such addition. But I see an important tradition breaking, if that matters. I don't really see any tradition breaking here personally
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