Lakche, what's so great about her?

[ESPerion]

North2 said:

k...I don't remember the last time I saw moonlight hit activate with continue so I'll take your word, but even then it's still far from doing more damage than the hero sword on the average. Your possibility just went up to 15%, but there's more. Taking into account the skill of pursuit, it'll still do less damage than a hero sword unless the enemy has 16+armor (assuming 20 strength), because the hero sword will get an extra hit in. If continue gets activated on the first attack AND the pursuit attack (I dunno if it's possible, I may have seen it but it could have just been duel), THEN it'll finally do more damage than a hero sword. This is a 7.5% chance total.

Edit: The 7.5% chance is the chance of the thing actually happening with the silver claymore. Comparing it with the 30% chance that the hero sword has of activating moonlight hit, there's a 15% chance of the silver claymore doing more damage than the hero sword.

Wait, there's more. The 15% chance is only assuming moonlight activates once on the hero sword and once on the silver claymore. There's also another 30% chance for both weapons that it'll activate continue.

So the final stats: the silver claymore has a 3.825% chance to do tons more damage (moonlight activates twice on claymore only), 1.35% chance of doing considerably more damage (both activates moonlight twice), 3.825% chance of doing less damage than the hero sword (moonlight activates twice on hero sword only), and then 6% chance of doing slightly more damage (moonlight activates once for both).

This still doesn't take into account hit rate, where the hero sword has +100% hit rate and silver claymore has +60% hit rate. This varies a lot depending on the enemy but moonlight hit never misses anyways, so it'll only matter in the case of moonlight hit only activating once (in favor of the hero sword).

Edit2: Edited the %s on the chances of moonlight hit activating twice...there may still be something wrong but I dun really care anymore. The hero sword will still do more damage.

err, i know ^_^;; it's true that it's just a PROBABILITY that the silver claymore will outdo the hero sword. heck, i'd take the hero sword any day, what with 100hit rate, 3 weight and always hit twice. but we don't have that many hero sw to spare, so i just think Skasaha needs it more than Lachke does, and Lachke +3 SKL, +3 SPD over her bro will compensate for the silver big one. that, or just give her a whatever (silver smaller one, defender, heck even prayer sw. moonlight hit works wonder on magic swords too.)

[AceNoctali]

No need to argue my opinion on about why I think Lakche is not overrated, Eaichu, Iris, North2 and Gunlord have already said all the arguments I have ;D

I'll just add a little thing.
Given that Shannan and Lakche have both the max on Skill, i.e. 30 (which, thanks to Odo blood and good stat growth, they should easily reach)...

Shannan, with Balmunk, have 170% on Hit%.
Give Lakche the Hero Sword and a Skill Ring, she reaches 170% on Hit% too !

[SummerWolf]

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I still think Athena is a much more effective god(dess) for war, as far as Greek goes. I still remember that myth where three giants who wanted to court Artemis trapped Ares into a jar (since he ran out first, without thinking) and he just whined and cried until the gods managed to defeat the giants and freed him out of the box.

In some myths, he's depicted as a boneheaded pretty boy who likes to swing a sword and fight. Some others still depicts him as valiant, but that's what got across for me. ^^;;;;;

Mars is regimental. He's very orderly. Even though they're basically the same, I feel the Romans bent the concept of Mars enough for their military community that he's different from the original Ares.

Two cents on Aless.

[TerranigmaFreak (admin)]

While we're on the subject, I think Shanan's underrated by you guys. He does quite well without Baldmonkey to boost his stats. I always stick Shanan with a Sliver Claymore and watch him kill everything. His growth rates definitely do not match Lakche, but his starting stats more than make up for it if you ask me. Let's not forget the oh-so-awesome Meteor Hit.

[Hannibal3.0]

If it wasn't for Meteor hit, then Lakche wouldn't be as good IMO. Lakche is my favorite female character, but I prefer shanan because he hits 3 to 4 times with the Balmunk anyway, thanks to the "continue" skill activating most of the time, and he also has Meteor hit. Of course, IMO, Lakche is tied with Leaf and Athenna for fourth after Ares, Shanan and Sety.

One last thing, it's an opinion whether a character is overrated or not, so I didn't argue.

[Gunlord100]

If you could forgive my most horrendous insolence in arguing with you and my ignorance if I'm wrong, Ms. Summerwolf, I'm not sure whether "Athena" is actually a mythological name in Fire Emblem 4. As far as I am aware, the kana for Cuan's daughter reads "A-Ru-Te-Na," which can be turned into either Alutena, Arutena, Altena, or Artena, and I think the closest approximation to "Athena" would be Artena. However, if the developers wanted her name to be translated to Athena, in that case, I believe they would have the kana read "A-Te-Na" without the "ru," because Athena doesn't have either an L or an R in the name.

And as for the Ares/Aless debate, I'll admit that in terms of personality, Ares the Greek God and Ares the son of Eltoshan couldn't be more different. The god Ares was indeed simply a meathead swinging a sword, as you said, Summer. Where Athena was the goddess of war *strategy," tacticians and strategists prayed to her for guidance before a battle, Ares was simply the god of the blood and brutality of warfare. The son of Eltoshan doesn't seem to be such a sadistic or bellicose kind of guy, however, the image I have of Ares in FE4 is of him standing over an enormous pile of corpses, his pitch-black armor stained crimson with the blood of his fallen enemies, and the Demon Sword Mistortin crying out for more. That sounds like an accurate description of Ares, so that's why I've always associated him with the Greek God of savage warfare...

[North2]

That logic would only work in the case of translating Athena from English to Japanese. The Greek pronounciation of Athena is probably different.

[SummerWolf]

Aless is actually much more like one of those war heroes/knights from the romantic era of the medieval time.

I WAS NOT talking about Althena, Gunny. If so I'd bring up the Gae Borg. I was simply talking about how ATHENA THE GODDESS is much better for doing war than Ares. I didn't even think of putting Athena in FE4! I don't think I'll romanize that girl to Athena, thanks muchly, and I don't know why I should when it flies directly into the face of kana. That's all in your mind.

Hmmph.

[North2]

Because the translation of Greek->Japanese->English is not the same thing as Greek->English->Japanese. But then again, I dunno how Athena is pronounced in Greek so bleh.

[SummerWolf]

Sorry, I wrote that because I was quite mad that Gunny would read my talking about Athena as trying to infer that Athena is Althena.

She's probably influenced. But as long as I hold the nomenclature creed, I pretty much have to stick with the kana. (No matter how much I think Delmud is really a reference to Diarmud/Dermod)

[Gunlord100]

You're quite right, Summerwolf, I completely misread what you said. I already apologized before, but I would do so again--please forgive my most horrendous ignorance and stupidity, and you see now why I don't consider myself to be a particularly bright bulb ^^;;;;;

But in terms of Athena being a more effective goddess for war, well, I'm not so sure...as I said before, Athena was related more with the cerebral aspects of combat--she's the goddess of strategists and tacticians, if memory serves. Ares was the god of battle itself, the lord of gore, savagery, and sadism that so characterizes warfare. Perhaps Ares is more of a knightly character than a brutal barbarian, but still, looking at him perform on the battlefield, I'd say he bears at least a bit of similarity to Ares in fighting style, if not personality. But then again, that's just my two cents, please forgive my insolence and impudence ^^;

[SummerWolf]

Hey, would YOU rather have a commander who makes plan or commander who screams at the top of his lungs and make blind charges?

Aless may fight with the usual blood fever (term I use for....you know, the state of mind where you're fighting without much thinking in melee).......but does he fight with savagery and stupidity? No.

Aless doesn't symbolize war for me. He's not a god of war. He's a young man who's held bitterness in his heart pretty damn strongly and vents it outside. He does not fight wars for wars' sake, unless Ares. Aless fight for something in his mind, Ares fights for war and war. He may be an extremely effective warrior, but that also goes for a host of people. (Sety....cough....and he's referenced to JUSTICE) His battle effectiveness has nothing to do with the way he fights. Judging from how he talks, he seems to have been trained in melee tactics.

Minor unrelated note : You know that Lunar's Alex is really "Ares" in Japanese. It's really A-re-su.

[ESPerion]

this is unrelated but seeing as we already strayed a bit away from the topic at hand, i'd like to say that today i stared at the holy warrior pic and i thought "wow, Fala is hot~!!". that's a he alright... but look, the Thor guy looks boring... compared to Fala. oh, don't compare. Fala is in the center of the pic, and is just so hot. i wouldn't mind having a prequel to FE4... with the story of the holy warriors told.

[TerranigmaFreak (admin)]

I personally like Ares better than Aless. Ares sounds way more bad ass than Aless. Ares the god of war, what's not to like about that name?

[SummerWolf]

Because Ares is a -stupid- god of war. Fact. Also a bit of an arrogant, self-important, whiny pretty poodoo. Opinion. XD

But hey, your preferences.