Renault sucks.......

[LadyDragon]

I gotta admire you for bothering to even waste a second with that guy, I myself can't wait until that level is over so that I can take his staff and light magic tome and give them to someone who can actually use them. What happens to him then? well... he ends up in the same dusty corner of the cartridge with Marcus, Bartre, Dorcas, Sain, Isadora, and the other characters I never use.

[killaGAW]

Bartre, Dorcas and Sain are sweet. Marcus is ok. Isadora plays left bench.

[killaGAW]

That site didn't work for me it only went down to Eliwood/ Marcus.

[LadyDragon]

Your right!!!!! What the HECK?? Wait...it's on my Favorites, and I just clicked it on my list and it worked...and then refreshed it and it worked again!!! Here's are the supports I was talking about...

Renault/Isadora B

ISADORA: ...? I may not be the most pious of souls, but I am a believer in the
teachings of Elimine. It is an honor to protect one of her bishops!
RENAULT: I'm sorry, but... I don't think I'm worthy of being called a bishop.
Long ago, I was a mercenary. I led a bloody, thoughtless life,
unconnected to the holy teachings.
ISADORA: Is that so? And then...what brought you to the light of Elimine?
RENAULT: I...lost a friend. A man I could have called brother. But when he died, I knew nothing of prayers, of forgiveness. I only knew how to bash another man's skull... So I cast aside my weapons and knelt for the first time... to mourn my fallen friend.


Renault/Lucius B

RENAULT: You said the blemish lies on your soul? Speak of it to me, son.
LUCIUS: I... I grew up in an orphanage... and I faced much grief in that
place... Poverty and despair can eat one's very soul... There was one
teacher there who was particularly cruel to me... Even now... I pray
that this evil man might be led away from darkness...
RENAULT: I see... ...and were you there from birth?
LUCIUS: No, Your Excellency. ...I remember living with my mother and father
until the age of three.
RENAULT: And why did you go to the orphanage?
LUCIUS: Our house...was invaded by a thief. My father was a famous mercenary,
but the man was too strong. I saw my father fall before me. I recall
it sometimes, even now... The eyes of the thief who killed him.
...Like terrible dark stones set in his hate-filled face...... All he
left behind was this dagger protruding from my father's chest.
RENAULT: Ah!!
LUCIUS: After my father's death, my mother fell ill... ...I was alone. In a
cruel twist, this dagger is all I have of my father... ...Bishop
Renault? What is it!? Your face is bright red!
RENAULT: Excuse me...
LUCIUS: Of course...

Renault/Lucius A

LUCIUS: Bishop Renault...?
RENAULT: Lucius.
LUCIUS: ...Did I do something? Something...to...to... Have I angered you? If
that were so... I would truly... Please... Forgive me......
RENAULT: Lucius! ...Control yourself!
LUCIUS: Yes... I am...sorry.
RENAULT: Ah, your affliction... ...Forgive me...
LUCIUS: ...Bishop Renault... Why should you...apologize? This scourge upon my
soul... It is my own doing...
RENAULT: Do not speak... It will exhaust you.
LUCIUS: ...Ah... Sorry... ... ...
RENAULT: ...He is asleep... ............ Forgive me, son. In those days...
I only thought of myself... I trespassed against many in my singular
drive to regain the friend I lost...and to satiate my own...monstrous
greed. I even sacrificed... the lives of others... Forgive me...
Please...forgive...me...
LUCIUS: I forgive you...
RENAULT: You--
LUCIUS: I forgive you.
RENAULT: But you... You cannot know the evil I have wrought... I did it! I
killed your father...
LUCIUS: Even so, I fell your grief, and it feels like my own...
RENAULT: Lucius...

Renault/Canas C

RENAULT: You mean...morphs?
CANAS: Ah! So you do know of them! Where did you learn that name?
RENAULT: Well. A long time ago, I...
CANAS: Bishop, I must ask you... Do you think these morphs have souls?
RENAULT: Souls?
CANAS: Yes. I am dreadfully curious to know. The Elimineans say that all
creatures possess souls... All those created by the gods, that is.
But what of those created by man? And these manufactured beings...
do they dream? Do they think--and suffer--as we do? Or must their
emotions be ...crafted...by another?
RENAULT: ...... Well... That I do not know.


Renault/Canas B

CANAS: Did you know that the word "morph" appears even in a few ancient
texts? Brought to life by man, crafted to resemble him... I never
thought any of us would actually have seen one.
RENAULT: ......
CANAS: Renault, where did you first learn of these morphs? Are they mentioned
in the Eliminean scripture?
RENAULT: A long time ago, I... Enough. I don't want to talk about this.
CANAS: Oh. Well that is... truly unfortunate. You see, we know so little of
Nergal.
RENAULT: ......
CANAS: Why, for example, did he begin creating morphs? After his falling out
with the Archsage Athos, did he feel alone in the world? Did he need
the company of someone who could understand him? Was he forced
to...create...such a being?
RENAULT: ...Not exactly.
CANAS: Oh?
RENAULT: He has no care for his creations... He merely brought them into this
world to serve him. His only interest is himself. Those...things...
that he discards... They lose their way... and wander. And he cares
not. Morphs...are the mere fact of existence... once meaning has been
stripped away.
CANAS: Renault... How do you know so much?
RENAULT: ......
CANAS: Nergal began creating morphs centuries ago. Even Athos knows so
little... So...how could you...?
RENAULT: ...... I don't know. My own past is...a mystery.

Canas/Renault A

CANAS: Ah, Renault! Wait for me! I must ask you something!
RENAULT: What is it?
CANAS: ...... Now, I ask you this, only for the sake of knowledge...
Knowledge...is the reason for my journey... I understand there are
some things you would rather the others did not know... So, please do
not answer if you do not wish to.
RENAULT: As you wish.
CANAS: Please tell me... These morphs Nergal has created... How can you know
so much about beings that are centuries old?
RENAULT: ......
CANAS: I will give you the answer I suspect may be true. You know, because
you were there. Nergal was alone after he and Athos separated. The
only ones around him were his morphs... Perhaps then, you are...
RENAULT: ...... What?
CANAS: ...... ...I have never thought one should back away from knowledge,
but...I hesitate to ask...
RENAULT: Is that so... Then I will ask you a question.
CANAS: Yes?
RENAULT: You asked me before... Whether or not morphs had a soul... What do you
think?
CANAS: ...... Before...I would have said that I do not know... But now,
perhaps I do... Morphs...do have souls... That is what I believe...
RENAULT: ...That is not a bad answer. Your reply deserves another good answer... When Nergal first created his morphs, he was not alone. He had one assistant. A mercenary who wanted desperately to bring back a friend he had lost in battle. This mercenary volunteered freely for Nergal's experiments, knowing they would make him less than human...
CANAS: Bishop Renault, are you saying--
RENAULT: This was a long, long time ago...

(Cut and pasted from site mentioned ealier...no credit for me, except for being an awesome paster I basically went through the supports and picked out the important parts, that's why they may not make sense at all....)


Now this is very confusing but Renault was once a mercenary, who killed a lot of people, and thought nothing of it. Then one day his friend, (who I believe we never learn the name of) is struck down in battle, horror striken at this event, the hardened mercenary finally feels pain, he goes out and kills more people, (which is really confusing) and he kills Lucius' parents. Finally he meets up with Nergal, who wants to make Morphs, Nergal learns of Renaults desire to bring back his friend, and he agrees to help Nergal, he ends up losing part of himself (??)(I might be wrong) and the friend is brought back, but it's only a morph, so it's not really his friend. Renault gets really mad at Nergal, he gave up part of himself to get back his friend instead he gets somee weird human-like creature, not his friend....Then he realizes how much damage he has wrought on innocent people, so he puts down his weapons, vowing never to kill again. He tries to forget his past and discovers the teachings of St. Elimine, which teach forgiveness for past sins (I made that part up, I admit it, but it seems to fit) he becomes obsessed with religion, wanting to gain forgiveness for every drop of innocent blood his sword had ever wrought, [translated=he felt really awful for all the deaths he caused] he soon became a different man, still mysterious, but now changed, he rose through the ranks and became a bishop, still this him no solice, so he returned to Dread Isle to DO SOMETHING.... (OK, so I made up the ending, and it really sucks, but....at least give me an A for Effort)

Please feel free to correct me on anything and everything, I put this together from the support information and things I learned from other people, so it's not at all a 100% accurate, I might have made some stuff up by accident.

Anyhow, as you can see, Renault was an interesting guy, but he's such a terrible magic user that he is always left behind...

[Guest]

Renault is FREAKIN' SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**prepares for bashing***

Just kidding. I actually never got him in this game, but he doesn't really seem really worth it. Well I guess I can just get him for supports.

[Gunlord100]

"Yes, I believe a lot of people will. Now don't hold my word to it, because I don't want to get flamed by death by a random Renault-fanatic. (If there is such a thing...)"

Oh, Shoen, I, actually, AM a Renault Fanatic. He's my favorite character in the entire game, and I am actually planning to write a fanfic about him ^^ *flame flame flame flames*

Seriously though, while Renault *is* my favorite character, he's *definately* not my favorite unit. He sucks, plain and simple. Lucius and Serra are kickass light magic users, but Renault's only purpose is to give his nice Fortify staff to one of them, or, if you neglected to power up Serra or Lucius, Athos ^^ Renault's got okay stats and decent growth, but his magic SUCKS ;___;

Now, as for the reason I like Renault as a character, well, he has an interesting backstory, to be sure, but I also see striking similarities between himself and me. Both of us led rather different, and unpalatable lives, before something drastic occured that led to a change in our outlooks. Renault became an Eliminean, which, if you have read his support convos, does bear some similarities to Christianity, whereas I am thinking of joining a congregation. Of course, this is all meaningless, but while I agree with people who hate Renault as a unit, I'm just saying why I identify with him so as a person ^^

[Arf]

The Elemine religion can be compared to most religions. Not just christianity.

[InfiniteMasterEx]

I like Renualt as a character and unit. His magic may be a tad low but if you notice, he has insane defense for a bishop. His skill and speed is also very good. Luck will never be as high as Serras but it is much higher than Lucius.

[Gunlord100]

Sam, I believe Elimineanism bears more similarity to Christianity than most other religions. Take Bartre and Renault's C conversation:

Bartre: Ho there!

Renault: ...? And you are?

Bart: I am Bartre! I strive to be the best! What say you to a match?

R: ...What a strange fellow. Well, first off, I think you've chosen the wrong opponent. What use is there in fighting a man of the cloth like myself?

B: Do not try to hid your skills from me, man! YOU MAY SAY MASS ON SUNDAYS, but you brawl your week away! (emphasis added)

There are other similarities between Elimineanism and Christianity I have gleaned from all of the support conversations I have seen, of course, but please tell me, what other religions have a distinct observance called a "mass" which takes place on Sundays, hm? I think that's a pretty obvious connection to Christianity. Now, Elimineanism isn't the same as Christianity, of course, it just borrows some aspects of it, such as the mass on Sundays thing. Please forgive me if I did not make that distinction clear, I most humbly apologize ^^

[SummerWolf]

Gunny.....I believe that's a translation invention for us Americans. I don't remember seeing that particular line in the Japanese script.

[Kanti]

...Renault...hmm....well, I like the fact that he comes with Fortify and a Divine...other than that...he's not really useful unless you have some sort of facination/obsession with him...I just send him out into the open to kill him....of course, giving his materials to my other magic users...

[Gunlord100]

That could very well be, Summerwolf. I cannot understand Japanese ^^;;; All I know is that's the line directly from the English script (I typed it out as I was reading the conversation) so I am not sure what it was in the original Japanese...if you do have that support conversation in Japanese, might you enlighten me as to what it originally said? ^^

[Iggy]

LadyDragon said:

Now this is very confusing but Renault was once a mercenary, who killed a lot of people, and thought nothing of it. Then one day his friend, (who I believe we never learn the name of) is struck down in battle, horror striken at this event, the hardened mercenary finally feels pain, he goes out and kills more people, (which is really confusing) and he kills Lucius' parents. Finally he meets up with Nergal, who wants to make Morphs, Nergal learns of Renaults desire to bring back his friend, and he agrees to help Nergal, he ends up losing part of himself (??)(I might be wrong) and the friend is brought back, but it's only a morph, so it's not really his friend. Renault gets really mad at Nergal, he gave up part of himself to get back his friend instead he gets somee weird human-like creature, not his friend....Then he realizes how much damage he has wrought on innocent people, so he puts down his weapons, vowing never to kill again. He tries to forget his past and discovers the teachings of St. Elimine, which teach forgiveness for past sins (I made that part up, I admit it, but it seems to fit) he becomes obsessed with religion, wanting to gain forgiveness for every drop of innocent blood his sword had ever wrought, [translated=he felt really awful for all the deaths he caused] he soon became a different man, still mysterious, but now changed, he rose through the ranks and became a bishop, still this him no solice, so he returned to Dread Isle to DO SOMETHING.... (OK, so I made up the ending, and it really sucks, but....at least give me an A for Effort)

He started killing more people to harvest quintessence for Nergal.

[SummerWolf]

Barthol : Hey! You there! Listen to my request!
Renault : .....? And you are?
Barthol : I am Barthol, a man who strives to be the strongest! So, will you match weapons with me?
Renault : You're a strang guy. First off, aren't you picking the wrong man to fight? What would you gain from fighting a weak priest?
Barthol : No, no no. No matter how you try to hide it, I know! You (he uses Kisama, which means he considers Renault to be his enemy already) may wear those clothes of yours, but I see the strength in your arms! Who knows, perhaps you're concealing a grand amount of bloodshed in your days!

There is that.

[LadyDragon]

Iggy said:

He started killing more people to harvest quintessence for Nergal.

Thanks Iggy, I was so confused...I guess I was streching for an explanation...heck I wasn't the best person to write a summory about him, but I felt obliged to try since I had after all, had put Hectorsomething-or-other down for not knowing anything 'bout Renault's history...I'm such a hypocrite it's not even funny.