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Post by Vivi on Apr 19, 2004 19:26:33 GMT -5
Well, I was talking about war in general, not WWII specifically. And yes, I have expierence with war, thank you. I was just using WWII as an example of how you can learn without being there (perhaps not as effective, but safer for a topic like war) |
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Post by Arf on Apr 19, 2004 22:38:18 GMT -5
well that was one specific crazy war
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Post by Shoen on Apr 19, 2004 22:58:42 GMT -5
Well now, while we continue to think about the moral implications of war, let's consider what causes wars in the first place, hm?
I'll give you five seconds...
One...
Two...
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Four...
Five...
People who do bad things. Therefore:
Wars were made to make a big fuss over evil/corrupt people.
And so, if I did my math right...
In general, those who are fighting for freedom, justice, and other humane things are GOOD.
And also, the other side who fights for greed, and other stuuf like that are EVIL/BAD.
*Whistles harmlessly until someone comes by and proves me wrong*
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Post by superbus on Apr 19, 2004 23:02:39 GMT -5
Well, that's right in theory, but remember: everyone's right in their own mind.
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Post by Shoen on Apr 19, 2004 23:05:30 GMT -5
Dang!
Now I have to do my math all over again!
*Takes out pencil and starts jotting down numbers and varaibles.*
*Points to IN GENERAL.*
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Post by Arf on Apr 19, 2004 23:12:06 GMT -5
Well, that's right in theory, but remember: everyone's right in their own mind. thats true |
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Post by Lastchance on Apr 19, 2004 23:25:44 GMT -5
Well now, while we continue to think about the moral implications of war, let's consider what causes wars in the first place, hm? I'll give you five seconds... One... Two... Three... Four... Five... People who do bad things. Therefore: Wars were made to make a big fuss over evil/corrupt people. And so, if I did my math right... In general, those who are fighting for freedom, justice, and other humane things are GOOD. And also, the other side who fights for greed, and other stuuf like that are EVIL/BAD. *Whistles harmlessly until someone comes by and proves me wrong* You're watching way too much Star Wars.. No one fights for freedom and justice. Are you insane? You actually believe people fight for that? Countries go to war because they perceive a potential threat to them that must be taken out, or a potential gain to be caused by engaging in war. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course, history generally looks kindly on the countries who defend themselves from threats compared to the ones who have a potential gain. But you know, threat can be defined very broadly or very narrowly depending how you look at it. |
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Post by Shoen on Apr 19, 2004 23:26:41 GMT -5
Please then explain this series.
Also, I haven't watched Star Wars for a year.#nosmileys
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Post by Lastchance on Apr 19, 2004 23:30:19 GMT -5
Please then explain this series. Also, I haven't watched Star Wars for a year. What series? Fire Emblem? Again, potential threat in the form of Nergal. Nergal looking for potential gain by war. But, Fire Emblem isn't real. -_- |
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Post by Shoen on Apr 19, 2004 23:32:56 GMT -5
Well, we aren't talking about real wars.
We are talking about the morals of killing Kishuna in FIRE EMBLEM.
So, therefore, I think that my ideas apply.
Also, political gain of Nergal would have led to death, slvery, etc., is it just possible that it makes more sense that what I said applies?
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Post by Lastchance on Apr 19, 2004 23:42:55 GMT -5
Ok, using Fire Emblem morals, in which the characters you are playing are, for the most part, amazingly moral, your characters always do the right thing or feel pity for their enemies.
They do fight for their homes though. They don't fight for justice. They don't fight for freedom. They fight for their families, and they fight to survive.
Using real life morals, I think they could have done better. Kishuna could have become a powerful ally like so many that join your party.
But I tend to cut people a lot of slack in wars, and they did the best they could under the circumstances (being in a game). They were in a big hurry, and they needed to get there.
I kinda forget the circumstances you fight Kishuna in, though. He just shows up and blocks your way or something?
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Post by killaGAW on Apr 19, 2004 23:58:08 GMT -5
Kishuna shows up and you fight him just because.
What I was saying is that all they have to do is move out of the anti-magic field. Arf said they couldn't fight Nergal because he took away thier magic. If they left him it would come back.
The people in power usually determines when a country goes to war not the people serving as soldiers. World leaders that have problems with each other don't usually fight it out. Did Bush or Saddam fight? No.Shoen if you look at both armies usually both sides feel that thier cause is the best or good cause or the soldiers just want to go home.
In my opinion in many wars the soldiers fight for somebody else's cause. The leader doesn't do it his or herself its others that suffer the most from thier disputes. Its like if somebody puts a gun to my head and tells me steal some shoes for me then I get in trouble for it.
I'll come up with a better analogy later.
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Post by MasterDruidCanas on Apr 20, 2004 10:11:31 GMT -5
I have summed up everything about Kishuna that I can, and here it is...KILL KISHUNA!!!
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Post by Shoen on Apr 20, 2004 16:48:48 GMT -5
Ok, using Fire Emblem morals, in which the characters you are playing are, for the most part, amazingly moral, your characters always do the right thing or feel pity for their enemies. They do fight for their homes though. They don't fight for justice. They don't fight for freedom. They fight for their families, and they fight to survive. Using real life morals, I think they could have done better. Kishuna could have become a powerful ally like so many that join your party. But I tend to cut people a lot of slack in wars, and they did the best they could under the circumstances (being in a game). They were in a big hurry, and they needed to get there. I kinda forget the circumstances you fight Kishuna in, though. He just shows up and blocks your way or something? Do I hear a parrot in here? Or where you agreeing? I have no clue, so no offense. |
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Post by GreenShyguy on Apr 20, 2004 17:23:48 GMT -5
Well, that's right in theory, but remember: everyone's right in their own mind. Indeed. Real life and video game wars are completely different. Real life wars are usually fought over religion, land, politics, materialism, etc. Video game wars are typically fought to stop a mad man from taking over the world. I shake my head at all the idiots who always assume we, the U.S., are always right. We've done a lot of harmful things, like keeping dictators in power in certain nations, outsourcing jobs, etc. |
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