Goemon2057
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 6, 2004 20:45:33 GMT -5
Fir is my FAVORITE swordsmaster,making her my favorite character of fire emblem(i hav only played GBA).I seriously want to know if anyone could translate her supports,preferably with karel and if possible noah,bartre,and rutuger.I'd also like to know your opinion of Fir ^_^.I'm sorry if i missed this in a previous thread =(.
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2004 20:47:59 GMT -5
Fir is good. I'm not using her in this playthrough because Rutger was way better. Even though she was a lower level, she wouldn't have gotten to Rutgers stats even at the same level.
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 6, 2004 20:51:06 GMT -5
I find that unbelivably hard to believe,even though i gave fir boost items they were not in the one thing that rutuger had problems with at end of game,avoid.My fir was dodging everything from when she lvled to level 20 to 2nd to last lvl(bartre,sue,and roy handled last chp).and rutuger,on the other hand.was almost always reaching near death,especially against every hero in zeiphels castle.I think thats because he has about half of fir's luck.Still he owns,any swordsmaster owns in fe6.Thats why i used all three on last chapter ^_^.(for anyone reading this early i do not know why i keep making errors in this response)
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2004 20:54:16 GMT -5
Have you noticed that every boss after Murdock was incredibly easy, probably cause you get the SOS. Well Rutger at lvl 20/20 had maxed strength, speed, and skill. Fir at lvl 20/17 wouldn't have maxed strength or skill. She would have maxed speed, but all of her other stats were about two below Rut.
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 6, 2004 20:59:22 GMT -5
I'm not talking about bosses,i'm talking all around with all the army masses attacking u at once.And also i do not know what you did,but mine maxed skill and speed,then streanth with 1 energy ring.and rutugar's luck was half of fir's,so i concluded that that was the reason that his dodging sucked at the very end,and i'm not talking about dragons.I'm talking about zeiphel and level after.I didnt use Rutugar much anyway since fir's stat difference was always small in all stats except luck,where she dominated.Of course maybe you just ended up luckier than i did on rutugar,even though u lvl your character no matter what the stats he gets IS random.Even so rutuger was about the same both times i played.I'll also add i only used SOS on zeiphel,some guys in lvl after,and final boss.Noah killed that girl and Fir killed the dragon with durandel on chp.24.
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2004 21:02:36 GMT -5
Well the comment on the bosses was just a side obsevation.
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Post by kyuusei on Apr 6, 2004 21:21:06 GMT -5
Fir was my boss-killer. =P She gets less STR than Rutger, but might gain more speed and skill, and definitely more luck. She didn't get hit in the later chapters of my game until I reached Yan's chapter and all those Mamkutes.
Anyway, I'm slow at translating but I can do something. Can't guarantee when, since I'll be pretty busy this week. =P
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 6, 2004 21:56:46 GMT -5
Thanks!but seriously to be generous i usually sent someone who needed levels to completly annialate the bosses,fir just cleared the armies...i just always wondered what went through the AI's head when they attacked her.The only time i i needed to be careful using her though,was on levels with the beserk staff(i HATE that staff)i once lost because fir dodged a beserked karel....but got beserked and killed him next turn.But it taught me somthing.Do not use ellen as main healer >_<.Clarine at least could survive on her own in later chapters.ellen needs some speed....i could never get ellen in the area,though i will say i am happy she never got beserked like SOME people with restore staffs(looks at niime)
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Post by kyuusei on Apr 6, 2004 23:10:10 GMT -5
I used Fir as bait for a berserked Noah... I wanted to keep him away from my other units, since she's got the best dodging. (Even though Noah had a Brave Lance equipped. :P)
Which was kind of strange too, since Fir had A support with Noah by then. XD;; And after that, the Bishop tried to Berserk Fir. And Berserk is usually 100% accuracy, but against Fir it was some 97 or so. AND IT FRICKING MISSED HER. XD! Which is good, because she and Noah would have mauled each other to death. :P
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2004 23:28:41 GMT -5
I wear berserk out on characters like lugh (100 dodge) and clarine (who even though she was a valkyria, never got weapons). In Zephs level that Druid in the center of the room would try to berserk my characters, so I finally got smart and silenced him, and berserked the sniper, who then took out the druid.
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 7, 2004 4:30:16 GMT -5
i did about the same,cept since i rarely used silence staff in FE7 i wasnt exactly sure which one it was without heavy thinking,and cause i didnt feel like wasting any more time i just beserked both of them.Clarine i'm sure owns(i know i used her in my first game) but i'm not so sure yet about lugh cause i always use lilna.After a couple levels as a sage she gets enough speed to lay waste to enemies(in my first game at least).Still Fir did the job so much better ^_^.The one reason i dont think much about a mage or sage being the best char is they dont hav any crit bonus weapons >_<.i mean with fir doin 21-165(about.the 165 was durandel vs dragon crit)i really just prefer lances,bow users,and sword users.Unless of course their bartre .And also(looks at last line on kyuusei)Fir would kill first,but either way(restarts chapter)=/.
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Post by XSolaris on Apr 9, 2004 3:19:09 GMT -5
Well Rutger at lvl 20/20 had maxed strength, speed, and skill. Fir at lvl 20/17 wouldn't have maxed strength or skill. She would have maxed speed, but all of her other stats were about two below Rut. Well, here's their average stats at 20/20 (based on their growth rates, initial stats, promotion bonuses, no personal experience involved): Fir Level 1 HP 19 Str 6 Skl 9 Spd 10 Luck 3 Def 3 Res 1 Growth: HP 75% Str 25% Skl 50% Spd 55% Luck 50% Def 15% Res 20% Promotion bonuses: HP +4 Str +3 Skl +2 Spd +2 Def +3 Res +2 Average Stats at 20/20 HP 51.5/60 Str 18.5/22 Skl 30/29 Spd 32.9/30 Luck 22/30 Def 11.7 Res 10.6 Rutgar Level 4 HP 22 Str 7 Skl 12 Spd 13 Luck 2 Def 5 Res 0 Growth: HP 80% Str 30% Skl 60% Spd 50% Luck 30% Def 20% Res 20% Promotion bonuses: HP +5 Str +2 Skl +2 Spd +1 Def +3 Res +2 Average Stats at 20/20 HP 55.8/60 Str 19.8/24 Skl 35.6/29 Spd 32.0/30 Luck 12.8/30 Def 15.2 Res 9.2 Rutgar has better Strength, will max out Skill earlier since his average is far over his cap, has very nice HP and good Defense for a Swordmaster, but his Luck is pretty bad, so Fir will always be a better dodger. In Hard mode Fir gets 9 Strength at lvl 1 and Rutgar gets 8 Strength at lvl 4, along with other nice bonuses, and they'll both have about 20 Strength and nice stats in other department if they don't get screwed over by the RNG in Hard mode. I wouldn't really say one is much better than the other, they both have their strong points. I always use both of them and have them support with each other.
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 9, 2004 11:06:30 GMT -5
lol,well in fe6 i put luck above all because dodging is so bad on the bad luck chars,my rutuger ended up havin bad luck twice while fir had awesome luck twice,luck is much more important in dodgin later when speed gets maxed.Also with a crit like theirs as long as they do dmg i dont think str is THAT important to think about.Also i tested my fir in link arena(my old 1 and new 1),and they beat both my rutugers and diecks easily.^_^.Also is there anyone who can find those translations i asked for at top?i seriously want to hear those supports >_<.mayb watever it says in endin credits for her too but supports definatly(i was thinking of comments of fir as a side conversation but it really seemed to take over.)'_'
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Post by kyuusei on Apr 9, 2004 13:49:15 GMT -5
Be patient. I've not been home much.
(Ask a third time and I won't do it. Yes, I'm mean. :P)
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Post by Goemon2057 on Apr 9, 2004 13:51:29 GMT -5
oh sry =( wont say a word cept Thank you again ^_^
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