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Post by TediusZanarukando on Oct 6, 2003 1:51:14 GMT -5
As I have stated, at the Winds Westhost Fire Emblem site, I believe that Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu should be enhanced-remade for Nintendo GameCube, anti-compressing the graphics (giving a high resolution treatment), making them look like real hand-drawn graphics. The remake will give the Seisen no Keifu a chance to get released in North America. The game would remain 2D but be enhanced for GameCube. The soundtrack would be orchestrated, as in Super Smash Bros. Mêlée, instead of synthesized as on the SNES. That would mean that the 114 piece soundtrack would be remastered as an orchestrated classical rendition sounding far more realistic than the SNES soundtrack. Has Yuka Tsujiyoko ever conducted an orchestra? Dark Twilkitri, a friend of mine, definitely supports this idea. As he has said, even if the graphics are anti-compressed for the traditional GameCube resolution, that the soundtrack is being orchestrated, have orchestral sound effects, and anything more, there will still be a lot of room on the GameCube disc. Many Fire Emblem fans want Seisen no Keifu remade for GameCube too. Seisen no Keifu would be remade alongside Thracia 776.
Gunpei Yokoi, the producer of Seisen no Keifu, tragically died in an automobile accident in 1997. Shouzou Kaga left Intelligent Systems after developing Thracia 776. Yuka Tsujiyoko left Intelligent Systems as full-time employee after scoring Paper Mario.
Almost all Fire Emblem fans support the idea of enhanced remakes. The idea of enhanced remakes is opposed by many Final Fantasy fans. I have a problem with those who oppose this idea. Dark Twilkitri also stated that a remake will be far better than a direct port.
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Post by Gunlord100 on Oct 6, 2003 13:40:01 GMT -5
Hmmm...those are some pretty good ideas, Tedius Zanarukando. I hope they eventually do make a remake like that =D
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Post by Starwolf on Oct 6, 2003 16:18:31 GMT -5
OK people, you bitch and bitch about the Mario advance games on the GBA then you want them now for Gamecube?
Its like telling Nintendo to remake Famicom Wars and super Famicom wars just because advance wars is out.
What is wrong with leaving the classics as they are and making new games. I'm pleased fe6 and 7 are all new Fire Emblems, they mean I can't use my trusted statagies I used to slay Medius how many years ago, again? It keeps my brain going. So the Games weren't the hardest in the series they are still a great introduction.
As for Fire emblem on the gamecube hint to inteligent systems they don't need to do Polygons (trust me they can't do polygons to save their lives).
So what its better? Its still the same game. It doesn't matter if you have a problem with me, chances are we will never meet in real life. I must be different to most people, I play games as they offer me new and exciting experiances not the same stuff repackaged.
Tear Ring Saga was all sprite based so it might be a possibility (As for Tear Ring Saga 2 I think Enterbrain are scared to show their logo let alone their games).
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Post by Seti on Oct 6, 2003 16:43:15 GMT -5
I seriously worry about the prospect of Intelligent Systems doing 3D they are not into that area at all.
Secondly I like the move on in games it proves that Nintendo are moving on and not just churning out remakes of old games because they can't think of anything else.
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Post by TediusZanarukando on Oct 6, 2003 16:59:53 GMT -5
Starwolf, you sound like those ardent, nostalgic Final Fantasy fans. I am not, in anyway, expecting 3D graphics or polygons. I expect graphics anti-compression, i.e. resolution upgrade and smoothing out jagged (or blocky) edges. Anti-compression It is wrong to leave classics the way they are for an extended period of time. Future gamers will not be able to grasp at outdated or low-resolution graphics. NES and SNES games will look blocky if directly ported to GameCube and they will not sell well on the GameCube. If you demand that they leave the first five Fire Emblem games as they are, they will never come to North America, and we will have to resort to emulation on these games forever. I do not want to resort to emulation when playing the first five Fire Emblem games forever. Translations will be more decent if these games get remade for GameCube. These Fire Emblem games should be remade for GameCube, because they have not been released in North America. They will still be 2D, but have a resolution upgrade, having the graphics anticompressed similarly by the way of Nintendo Puzzle Collection's Yoshi's Cookie. The anti-compressed graphics will look more like fancy artwork like the official Intelligent Systems artwork, like the background image of this board's Interface. But first, we will see how well Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken sells. I think the next Nintendo console will be downward compatible with the GameCube, since the GameCube is disc based.
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Post by Seti on Oct 6, 2003 17:09:20 GMT -5
Quite frankly if FE is not remade for GBA and remade for GCN I couldn't even care less.....I rather have portable FE than something I already have if its going to be a remake.
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Post by TediusZanarukando on Oct 6, 2003 18:04:38 GMT -5
That portable Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken will come first then the remake of Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu for GameCube. A GameCube Fire Emblem game is already in the works. Seisen no Keifu is unlikely to be ported for GBA, and the GBA will no the game no good for a U.S. release. SNES games have to sacrifice some audio quality to get ported to GBA, and I do not like that. I would rather have Seisen no Keifu remade to GameCube, especially for music, than to have it ported for GBA or to resort to emulation. The fan translation of the game is not so decent. I prefer consoles over handhelds.
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Post by InsaneZero on Oct 6, 2003 19:20:20 GMT -5
If they are going to make a remake, at LEAST put in some new stuff. That being said, I want a remake of FE4-FE5 that allows the player to exchange data between the games. But, that's only a dream.
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Post by Koyotae Fan on Oct 6, 2003 23:30:06 GMT -5
Well, I just miss a lot of the features that Fire Emblem 4 and Fire Emblem 5 had that aren't in recent Fire Emblems. I love the skills system and the love system that FE4 had. I love the characters, I would love to see them speak more like characters in Fire Emblem 7 and 6.
The system made me want to play the game over and over.
Playing the game over and over made me love the characters.
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Post by SummerWolf on Oct 7, 2003 4:48:56 GMT -5
The current FE4 translation has a lot of lines cut out, and the lines that remain have lost much of their emotional impact.
I would like the FE4 remake. Add the support system, dammit! I would give anything to see those characters talk more....(does Lynn ever say anything aside from her own recruiting scene and her convo with Corpul?)
And everything else I believe I've already said.
FE4 could use a vast improvement in term of storage space. From unaccessible (normally) conversations here and there, I feel like there's a few things more they want to do with the game. And don't let me talk about FE5. That game creates nothing but more mysteries. =P
If possible....I want to see how Leaf and Aless did in the Agustria Unification War, too. =P
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Post by TediusZanarukando on Oct 7, 2003 13:03:46 GMT -5
I agree with you, SummerWolf. The fan translation has been cursed with the limitations of the SNES. The high resolution remake of Seisen no Keifu will break the curse of the dialogue limitations of the SNES. What I most want in a remake is an updated soundtrack, due to the limitations of the SNES's SPC700, the sound chip that was very advanced for its time. It would be preferably an orchestrated soundtrack, as in Super Smash Brothers Mêlée. SummerWolf requests that there should be additional dialogue. The Fire Emblem: Trading Card Game may be optional. I am not sure about the support system.
As for graphics, the game would have a resolution upgrade, such as anticompression. Anticompression when you make the graphics more detailed and smoothing out the jagged edges in order to utilize the resolution of the 128-bit consoles. The resolution upgrade would be from 256x224 to 640x480 resolution. Retouching will also be done. Possibly the official printed or scanned Intelligent Systems artwork will be used, as in painting and printing. The real, or TrueType fonts, will be used. As for Japanese text, a Mincho font will probably be used. Yoshi's Cookie and Panel de Pon (the original version of Tetris Attack and Pokémon Puzzle League) were remade in this way as a component of Nintendo Puzzle Collection.
As for music, I would prefer orchestrated classical music, as in SSBM, instead of synthesized. Has Yuka Tsujiyoko ever conducted an orchestra before? Tsujiyoko is a woman, as I found out at RocketBaby's Interview, and orchestra conducting is traditionally done by men.
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Post by Starwolf on Oct 7, 2003 16:07:24 GMT -5
Starwolf, you sound like those ardent, nostalgic Final Fantasy fans. Final Fantasy fan. I take that as an insult. The fact I have NEVER played a Final Fantasy game is the main reason. Breath of Fire was enough gerneric rpging for me. Mr.Hero (with spikey hair) is fighting slimes and so on. If you want to read my dull lecture labeled: The flaws of Final Fantasy. Then go ahead As for the fe4 translation. Its doomed by the thing of many fan (and official) translations. Translators preferance. They do what they want. I think translators need a few judges for truley accurate translations. the only one I know is really mucked up is the Sharlow - Hannibal convo (I used the babel and a freind who know Japanese to go through it with me) so there have to be more. Now listen, a la' dee' da' remake of fe4 won't magically correct any translation errors(it will probably create more). Nintendo are a company who are being forced to do more with less. Also their fan base is getting more and more elite. Elite people would have played through Fe4 already (i'm talking about Nintendos homeland, the people who make the games). Nintendo need to make new games, and fast. We should be greatful Nintendo is giving Fire Emblem a chance in the west. Nintendo is doing Super Mario advance games as everyone loves Mario and the people who missed out first time (think about it, children own gbas children who were not about when Super Mario World was about). Nintendo is about to annouce its first ever losses so it is least interested in taking gambles. Its a pipe dream, block a pipe with it and call the quick red plumber. |
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Post by Lord Ryu Li Ri Tzu on Oct 7, 2003 16:26:56 GMT -5
*sigh...* Why just limit it to Seisen no Keifu? Why not port ALL of the old FE games to GBA/GCN? I've gotten most of the gameplay out of them... but I never got any of the plot (except a little bit in Gaiden and a lot in Seisen no Keifu). If they directly ported the games to GCN, I think they'd be able to fit all of the games on one disk... and still have a lot of room left over. Hell... why not make it multiple disk?
I know a lot of you would like portable FE... but with GCN, they'd be able to fit more stuff on the disks than the cartridges. Who knows? Maybe if Rekka no Ken does well in the U.S., they'll do something like this eventually...
^ I believe I've put this idea in a previous post, but oh well... here it is again...
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Post by Seti on Oct 7, 2003 16:39:50 GMT -5
I quite frankly find that the more I think about the more higher probability we will not see a remake. This is simply due the fact Nintendo are hardly going to bother doing a remake just for the Western Market. At the moment Nintendo is aiming mainly at their homeland market. Also theres the matter of the fan base over there they're going to listen to them more than us and therefore if you want a remake you just hope the fanbase over there also wants one bad. Its way more highly likely they'd make a new game.
They are known for not liking to stick to the same styles they only use them twice/thrice and try a new formula.
Talking and speculation will not change anything at all....
Also who says FE can't have orchestrated soundtrack? Golden Sun 2, Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken managed that near perfectly.
Also as well as that, as I can see there can never be a perfect translation from Japanese to English and vice versa due to many matters like censorship, cultural and language differences.
The main fanbase of Nintendo are mostly elite gamers and longtime gamers or hardcore gamers who follow because of Nintendo's constantly changing games. They're already complaining enough about the recent flood of remakes and another one wouldn't forbode well if they don't at least space it out a few more years. You must also remember Nintendo are actually very overworked and strapped for personnel they may be a big company but you have to remember they're STILL a software company who also deals in hardware. Unlike Microsoft and Sony who deal in hardware and promotion and butt kiss the third party developers and also much bigger companies and leave them to do what they want.
Intelligent Systems already have a number of projects and one of the more strapped for personnel departments of Nintendo even if they are one of the original 3 main parties.
How's this tie in?
Well they have to keep working on all these other projects and new games for deadlines and remakes further adds onto the workload and slows them down more especially when people are expecting some upgrades.
AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF I HAVE TO TYPE THAT MUCH AGAIN AND THIS TIME UNDERSTAND IT!!!!!!!
*goes to sleep*
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Post by Lord Ryu Li Ri Tzu on Oct 7, 2003 16:58:00 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a dreamer...
Who knows? Maybe in many years, people will want to see a remake of the old FE games. I see the points about what you said Seti... but I'm just optimistic about these sort of things.
If you ask me, American gamers are ungrateful to Nintendo... they're the ones that revived the video game market in the U.S.!! So why does everyone buy PS2s and X-Boxes? Can someone please explain that to me because I have no idea why everyone likes Sony and Microsoft's systems better than Nintendo's...
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